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Leaving aside the question of whether Win10 (née Win8.2) is actually an upgrade or not, there is no such thing as a "free" upgrade with MS - everyone will pay, eventually - why else do you think updates can't be disabled, Office 365 has adopted the service-paradigm, and UEFI Secureboot verification requires an MS signature (to the obvious detriment of Linux)? These vectors have not come about by accident, and it is not one of arbitrary munificence towards the end-user (though obviously it's being "sold" as such).Tuxman wrote:2016: "Get rid of Microsoft! They give you free upgrades for a lifetime! Boooo!"
Could you bring some evidence here?Kilmatead wrote:Win10 (née Win8.2)
That basically applies to any software out there. There is always something that will be deprecated soon enough if you stay reluctant to "update" it.Kilmatead wrote:everyone will pay, eventually - why else do you think updates can't be disabled (...)
I'm positive that Linux would not have a better quality or general standing on the desktop without Secure Boot. The latest number (from yesterday) was 0.95 percent - and that was in a tech blog.Kilmatead wrote:UEFI Secureboot verification requires an MS signature (to the obvious detriment of Linux)
Assuming there were only two desktop operating systems available, this would be a great discussion subject.Kilmatead wrote:As headless, legless and haphazard as the Linux community is (on desktops), it's probably the only rational way forward
I admit that I was happier with Windows 8.1; but maybe, just maybe, things will improve over the next few months.Kilmatead wrote:Enjoy, for now, your "free" upgrade.
I did not even know there was one. I spent too much time with web development over the past few years, returning to real development by the end of 2015; web development does rarely require reading the OS news.Kilmatead wrote:You never wondered why the 8.2 SP was "delayed" and then cancelled, all to pander to the ridiculous "public beta involvement" propaganda phase of Win10?
You should care about security features though, having Windows stand out in a number of ways.Kilmatead wrote:I don't care about OS "features" which have nothing to do with actual OS architectures
The "internet generation" only needs a crippled input area and cat videos. I doubt that it was worth the effort anymore.Kilmatead wrote:what else is to be expected of an internet-generation who always buy into the shiny and the free?
Seeing the current development of the Linux userland and kernel, I guess the point in even trying Linux is already becoming more and more irrelevant. They should have stopped Lennart Poettering from doing anything with computers many years ago. Now Linux is fucked up "beyond all repair". (Currently in the news: Poettering's systemd allows "bricking" your EFI-powered device by mounting the EFI block writeable.) Sorry, it's too late. But it's fun to watch it burning.Kilmatead wrote:I'm talking about how in the future (...) there will be no way for regular users to even try it, never mind adopt it.
"The developer circle" - at least in those circles I consider myself to be a part of - never really used the desktop (I prefer "wimp", it is fitting in so many ways) paradigm, efficiency can't be reached with your mouse cursor. (Hooray for i3, awesome wm et cetera.) Maybe that's why Plan9 never gained much traction.Kilmatead wrote:One could argue that outside of the developer-circle, the desktop paradigm for OS's (of any description) is dead
You still suggest that beer wins because it's not paid. But who brews the beer then?Kilmatead wrote:By suggesting a duality, I do not propose the dominance of any two current systems, but the larger sphere of paid-vs-beer.
I've gotten so jaded at reading that over-used scare-mongering phrase about "executing arbitrary code" over every little out-place-bit that I'm beginning to think there's more fun and freedom to be had wearing the black hat.Tuxman wrote:You should care about security features though, having Windows stand out in a number of ways.
Elucidate, please! (I am not, regrettably, au fait with the current trends in the Linux world - all I know is that it looks like a mess - but I know not the why of it.)Tuxman wrote:Now Linux is fucked up "beyond all repair".
And when you show me VS running on a tablet or a phone, wake me up and stick the stake through my heart and be done with the illusion. Until then, let me munch on my garlic rolls and laugh at the muggles in their ivory towers.Tuxman wrote:"The developer circle" - at least in those circles I consider myself to be a part of - never really used the desktop
It doesn't get cheers because it's not paid (that would be simplistic), it gets cheers because it has (an intellectual) élan about it. Corporations may hoover up the intellectual backwash of nerd-dom, but they can never convince them to wear the t-shirts in public.Tuxman wrote:You still suggest that beer wins because it's not paid. But who brews the beer then?
It surely is, but you probably don't want to be exploited by even blacker hats.Kilmatead wrote:I've gotten so jaded at reading that over-used scare-mongering phrase about "executing arbitrary code" over every little out-place-bit that I'm beginning to think there's more fun and freedom to be had wearing the black hat.
Leaving various security accidents aside, Linus Torvalds said Linux was "unmaintainable" because it becomes more and more bloated - in 2011. One of my favorite Linus quotes ...Kilmatead wrote:Elucidate, please!
Why would the usual consumers want to do actual work on such a device? That said, you can run Windows XP on an iPhone, so I guess you can even install VS on it. But I doubt that would be fun. On the other hand, nor is VS most of the time.Kilmatead wrote:And when you show me VS running on a tablet or a phone, wake me up and stick the stake through my heart and be done with the illusion.
Welcome to the 80s when free software was a thing.Kilmatead wrote:it gets cheers because it has (an intellectual) élan about it.
Even as a student I preferred commercial software. It just works better.Kilmatead wrote:And who brews the beer? Home-brew, dude, the bastion of every desperately impoverished university student.