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nikos
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KidHacker
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Xplorer2
Hi Nikos.
As you might know we didn't use any "illegal" serial on the release.
(You can see it yourself,since you can debug the patched .exe straight,as an addition there are our crypted watermarks.
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"Cracker Tracker" ? That thing probably just compares CRC32 checksums or something,
and that can be "fixed" to match the original.
"Date Cracker 2000" that one is pretty old-fashioned and OOOLD and if that one really works
on your program,the blame is on you.
We could have protected the patched .exe with an protector,then you would have became the reverse engineer to see what we have done.
(Thanks for the idea,maybe we do that next time..)
Becareful what protection software you may start to use in the future on your application,
since your application hooks itself deep down on the windows core files,
those protectors may cause some problems. Else it might be a good idea 4 u
Your "protection" on the pro version is only the trial nag-screens and 21 days,and as for the (keygenned)
serials,a server check which can be patched easily.
Only solution for you would be to distribute pro version only after a person has paid for it,or release
a true limited edition of the pro trial which can't be even registered without purchasing the software,
which would be then another download link.
Ofcourse,sooner or later someone leaks the "retail" out unless u do some watermarking on the each
individual bought pro version to find out whom "gave it out".
Then again,that would mean a lot more work for you,as you would have to do it manually,or use some
web-based code (or something) which tags the every .exe which is "given out" after being paid..
Cheers,and keep up the good work.
"KidHacker" - I did it.
As you might know we didn't use any "illegal" serial on the release.
(You can see it yourself,since you can debug the patched .exe straight,as an addition there are our crypted watermarks.
)"Cracker Tracker" ? That thing probably just compares CRC32 checksums or something,
and that can be "fixed" to match the original.
"Date Cracker 2000" that one is pretty old-fashioned and OOOLD and if that one really works
on your program,the blame is on you.
We could have protected the patched .exe with an protector,then you would have became the reverse engineer to see what we have done.
(Thanks for the idea,maybe we do that next time..)
Becareful what protection software you may start to use in the future on your application,
since your application hooks itself deep down on the windows core files,
those protectors may cause some problems. Else it might be a good idea 4 u
Your "protection" on the pro version is only the trial nag-screens and 21 days,and as for the (keygenned)
serials,a server check which can be patched easily.
Only solution for you would be to distribute pro version only after a person has paid for it,or release
a true limited edition of the pro trial which can't be even registered without purchasing the software,
which would be then another download link.
Ofcourse,sooner or later someone leaks the "retail" out unless u do some watermarking on the each
individual bought pro version to find out whom "gave it out".
Then again,that would mean a lot more work for you,as you would have to do it manually,or use some
web-based code (or something) which tags the every .exe which is "given out" after being paid..
Cheers,and keep up the good work.
"KidHacker" - I did it.
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nikos
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thanks for the tips kid!
btw i bet you have seen this many times, here's another reminder
www.zabkat.com/warez.htm
btw i bet you have seen this many times, here's another reminder
www.zabkat.com/warez.htm
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KidHacker
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Yeah,it doesn't show up in our release.nikos wrote:thanks for the tips kid!
btw i bet you have seen this many times, here's another reminder
www.zabkat.com/warez.htm
Or do you mean "logging ip's" .. feel free to do so,the ip you log ain't
me anyways.
Oh,thanks for mentioning your other software...
Here's a little teaser..
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IneedHelp
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Some sick minds (don't look at me, ok... maybe just peek) could even use virtual computers to render time trials useless or to easily discover (and eliminate) various protection methods.
Since virtual computers allow connecting entire physical disks, the time trial based application can be used directly on host files. When the app expires, you flush the virtual system- start with a clean one (OS) and automatized installation (of the time trial based app) in moments. Of course, there are exceptions- some applications are of use only on the host system (interface management comes to mind).
As for discovering various protection methods, everybody can agree that it is a lot more convenient to do tests on a clean (fresh) environment that supports snapshots while using any kind of tools without endangering anything on the host system.
More to the blog's subject, unless an application is nothing more than an interface to a web service, there's no way to defeat piracy, there's only means of making it harder for the playful minds (and they always accept the challenge).
Still, piracy is needed as much as it is not. While piracy can cripple direct income from a commercial product, it is also responsible for boosting an application's popularity, indirectly generating revenue.
You can consider a commercial product being fail or just crap if it's not pirated.
Since virtual computers allow connecting entire physical disks, the time trial based application can be used directly on host files. When the app expires, you flush the virtual system- start with a clean one (OS) and automatized installation (of the time trial based app) in moments. Of course, there are exceptions- some applications are of use only on the host system (interface management comes to mind).
As for discovering various protection methods, everybody can agree that it is a lot more convenient to do tests on a clean (fresh) environment that supports snapshots while using any kind of tools without endangering anything on the host system.
More to the blog's subject, unless an application is nothing more than an interface to a web service, there's no way to defeat piracy, there's only means of making it harder for the playful minds (and they always accept the challenge).
Still, piracy is needed as much as it is not. While piracy can cripple direct income from a commercial product, it is also responsible for boosting an application's popularity, indirectly generating revenue.
You can consider a commercial product being fail or just crap if it's not pirated.
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KidHacker
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Only thing which would take the new xplorer2 patched release to your
warez page is if the person has neoqaz2.dll file hidden in their windows
directory which you "planted" there on the earlier versions..
(Uninstalling xplorer2 v1.8.x won't remove that file..)
Btw,I didn't spread it around,gave only to a few friends and seems like
someone else spread it.
And I did note the people that it's only for testing purposes and if they
like the program they should support YOU,the author and BUY IT!
No offense.
warez page is if the person has neoqaz2.dll file hidden in their windows
directory which you "planted" there on the earlier versions..
(Uninstalling xplorer2 v1.8.x won't remove that file..)
Btw,I didn't spread it around,gave only to a few friends and seems like
someone else spread it.
And I did note the people that it's only for testing purposes and if they
like the program they should support YOU,the author and BUY IT!
No offense.
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IneedHelp
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Talking about www.zabkat.com/warez.htm , it is a friendly approach which tells a thing or two about the author, and even though it has more than a couple insertions for the more naive persons, it's not like some warnings you may see on other commercial products that could make even a grown up panic and buy the product or uninstall the app/reinstall the OS (too bad, those always amuse me :D).
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KidHacker
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I know the people whom keygenned this application,and I canIneedHelp wrote:Talking about www.zabkat.com/warez.htm , it is a friendly approach which tells a thing or two about the author, and even though it has more than a couple insertions for the more naive persons, it's not like some warnings you may see on other commercial products that could make even a grown up panic and buy the product or uninstall the app/reinstall the OS (too bad, those always amuse me
reveal the true names and emails+addresses too,for a price..
(First,and last warning ZWT+CORE+LZ0)
Final word:
stop releasing a full pro version of the application on trial..
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IneedHelp
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:D Why did you quote my post? It has nothing to do with what you've said.
Who are you trying to sell to and why are you warning those groups on this thread? Makes no sense and you're making a fool out of your anonymous self.
Regardless of who you (think you) are, assuming someone is interested, how can you prove the worth of the information you're willing to trade without solid evidence?
Even if someone could unmask some groups, no legal course could be taken against their members (mainly because they're not getting any traceable profit), and you can't kill the warez scene no matter how hard you or anyone would try.
If you looked for a reaction, then you've got mine. But if you were serious about what you've said... rethink your intentions. It's never to late to improve yourself.
What a letdown... you really looked like you had some potential.KidHacker wrote:I know the people whom keygenned this application,and I can
reveal the true names and emails+addresses too,for a price..
(First,and last warning ZWT+CORE+LZ0)
Who are you trying to sell to and why are you warning those groups on this thread? Makes no sense and you're making a fool out of your anonymous self.
Regardless of who you (think you) are, assuming someone is interested, how can you prove the worth of the information you're willing to trade without solid evidence?
Even if someone could unmask some groups, no legal course could be taken against their members (mainly because they're not getting any traceable profit), and you can't kill the warez scene no matter how hard you or anyone would try.
If you looked for a reaction, then you've got mine. But if you were serious about what you've said... rethink your intentions. It's never to late to improve yourself.
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KidHacker
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No comment on your post. (LAMER)
Nikos, do as I suggested...
Release LIMITED editions of your software,
and give the full retail with watermarks (per customer)
after the payment.
Nothing is uncrackable,that's the only solution.
the mida/execryptor and other protections will only
f*ck up your software working eg. in a safe mode..
(personally I wouldn't use neither of the mentioned protections,
or any protection,since u want your software to work in safe-mode
too,since it's hooking up with the windows core... this is where the protections will fu*k up things..)
Nothing can really stop the piracy for real, there will be
always leaked/stolen releases.
But do not give out a fully working PRO version for testing
psst.. nice to use someone's 3G fast line
Nikos, do as I suggested...
Release LIMITED editions of your software,
and give the full retail with watermarks (per customer)
after the payment.
Nothing is uncrackable,that's the only solution.
the mida/execryptor and other protections will only
f*ck up your software working eg. in a safe mode..
(personally I wouldn't use neither of the mentioned protections,
or any protection,since u want your software to work in safe-mode
too,since it's hooking up with the windows core... this is where the protections will fu*k up things..)
Nothing can really stop the piracy for real, there will be
always leaked/stolen releases.
But do not give out a fully working PRO version for testing
psst.. nice to use someone's 3G fast line
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IneedHelp
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:D If it's a lamer you need to further entertain everybody, here I am.KidHacker wrote:No comment on your post. (LAMER)
...but what about
Wasn't that supposed to be your final word(ing)? Doesn't matter, it's fun with you around.KidHacker wrote:Final word:
blah blah blah..
It would really be relieving for everybody around here to know that Nikos is actually learning something from an expert of your caliber.KidHacker wrote:Nikos, do as I suggested...
[load of attempts to pose 1337 dressed up as much needed advice Nikos should take]
Sigh... again? Too much leetness, man. You're too cool for this world. A god of endless knowledge among mortals.KidHacker wrote:psst.. nice to use someone's 3G fast line