lite v1.3

jasinwa · Post by **jasinwa** » 2005 May 31, 20:59

how about a user option to not display the "nags" once the first one is prompted?

So after that, nothing will happen. The selections for pro then go grey...

then in options, once can selected/deselect it...just for those that miss the nags!!

jasinwa · Post by **jasinwa** » 2005 May 31, 21:04

...and that lasso problem where the folder can be deleted - that really needs to be fixed.

I keep coming back here hoping....but I can't use xplorer2 with this bug...

fgagnon · Post by **fgagnon** » 2005 May 31, 21:36

I like Demitris' idea of adding "[Pro]" to the Pro menu items the best.
It makes things perfectly (& persistently) clear which are the Pro features and which are not.
(vs. Surprise!, ... you just clicked a Pro feature! and now you must answer the dialogbox before you can go back to work. )
Plus, you can put up the advertisement/dialogbox whenever a user clicks on the feature to learn more.

It seems to me a completely professional approach -- no subterfuge required to emphasize the Pro benefits.

Post by **nikos** » 2005 Jun 01, 08:18

how's this for a compromise?
www.zabkat.com/kenny.zip

ckit · Post by **ckit** » 2005 Jun 01, 09:13

Yes, I could live with that

Demetris · Post by **Demetris** » 2005 Jun 01, 09:53

That's better!

A few ideas:

(On the hypothesis that we want to attract people to the pro version, not just make them hit escape and continue their work.)

Menu items

I would prefer the Pro symbols after the names. Now they break the alignment and make menus look ugly. (Not bad for nagging purposes, but not good on balance.) Also, why abbreviate the abbreviation? [P]. Use the proper abbreviation: [Pro] It is more clear and looks better. Are you concerned about width?

Dialog box

Make it less wordy, and more attractive and friendly in design.

Get rid of the warning/danger symbol!

"Lite version limitation" in the caption should go too. Talking of limitations puts off people, and would make many abandon x2 altogether. (And x2L cannot be described as limited.) So, just put Pro feature there.

Text

This is a feature of xplorer2 Professional.

You are now using xplorer2 Lite, which is free for personal and academic use only. [No harm in reminding users about the licence. Also, in this way you're killing two birds with one stone.]

Button 1: Compare versions
Button 2: Try Pro for free
Button 3: Continue work...

...or, if you think it would be wise, something to ligthen up the box: Leave me alone, or I'm not a pro etc. (considering that this is not supposed to appear, say, on a manager's 1920x1440 LCD screen, but to be seen only by people using x2 Lite for their hobbies etc., and by students/pupils and professors/teachers in academia/schools).

To recap:

Code: Select all

Pro feature

This is a feature of xplorer2 Professional.
You are now using xplorer2 Lite, which is free for personal and academic use only.	

[Compare versions] [Try Pro for free] [I'm not a pro]

And something else:

[P] Browse flat
[P] Send to scrap
[P] Raw contents

are still grayed out on my system.

Post by **nikos** » 2005 Jun 01, 10:58

rewording isn't simple when you have to coordinate 15 translations
i think we'll have to leave it there for the time being
the latest [P] addition surely clears me of any sleazy tactics accusation
if despite that people want to migrate... then bon voyage

are still grayed out on my system

did you have anything selected?

fgagnon · Post by **fgagnon** » 2005 Jun 01, 11:04

Nikos,

I agree with Demetris that [Pro] should be spelled out.
(And the width needed for it should be added, as required.)

I have no preference for whether [Pro] is at the beginning or end of menu items.

I agree even more that the messagebox caption title should emphasize the Pro version feature rather than Lite version limitation.

Another idea (hinted at in my PM) is that when a Lite user clicks on a Pro menu item, it would be beneficial to see a description of a exemple benefit for that specific item, rather than just a monotonous This command is only available in the professional version messagebox. Until you have time to write something for each, you might cycle through relevant material in the Tip of the day items which apply to that specific Pro function. (yes, that implies maintaining a separate index for each Pro feature.)

Demetris,
Those grayed out items will turn to black text and activate when you select applicaple items in a folderpane. e.g.: for Raw contents, you need to be in a "special" folder. ;)

Demetris · Post by **Demetris** » 2005 Jun 01, 11:40

nikos wrote:rewording isn't simple when you have to coordinate 15 translations
i think we'll have to leave it there for the time being
the latest [P] addition surely clears me of any sleazy tactics accusation
if despite that people want to migrate... then bon voyage

Then don't release Lite 1.3 yet, or just release a maintenance version, say 1.2.0.2. It's not going to do any harm (on the contrary, it will be rather good for Pro 1.3), and you can always catch up later.

nikos wrote:
are still grayed out on my system
did you have anything selected?

Sorry, I thought they would be always visible (non-grayed-out) in the Lite version, irrespective of selection.

ps Thanks, fgagnon, just saw your post. A misunderstanding on my part.

Post by **nikos** » 2005 Jun 01, 12:06

this is also a possibility
anyway from now on i won't be adding anything to the lite version
so we could just as well leave things as they are in v1.2
but i kind of think that v1.3 as designed may bring some more awareness and promotion for the pro version

i remember we had the same kind of problems when x2 went shareware a year ago. Some "purists" where tearing up their clothes with disgust but look where we are now. "Nags" or no nags users know what works for them and leave "principles" aside. I wonder are there many out there working for free?

fgagnon · Post by **fgagnon** » 2005 Jun 01, 14:26

maybe "... not adding anything ..." (except Pro nudges);
BUT...
hopefully you will still work on incorporating bug-fixes, like the one jasinwa brings up. (more detail here)

This really IS a bug (in both Lite and in Pro).
... even though you might rightly claim that the messagebox which pops up asking to confirm the delete action clearly names the folder & not the files -- but who ever reads the details in that box anymore?

The issue is that unless both
[x] Single click to change folder ...
and
[x] Automatically shift focus to view ...
are selected as Tree behaviour preferences
then the focus wrongly stays in the treepane if the user even mistakenly wiggles the mouse between buttondown and buttonup for selecting items in the folderpane.
This should not be.
The user options for Tree behaviour should not effect what happens when he clicks in the Folderpane.

Post by **nikos** » 2005 Jun 01, 15:15

i just had another go
my tree options were all unchecked (except for hover which is irrelevant)
clicked on the tree
then "lassoed" the view: no problem, the focus switched there so what i selected was deleted
i really cannot reproduce that on w2000!
(i'm pretty sure i'd tried this on xp and there it was fine too)

fgagnon · Post by **fgagnon** » 2005 Jun 01, 15:39

I tried some more combo's & narrowed down the conditions such that for me on XP the problem only happens with the above-mentioned conditions AND ...
* in Details view with
[x] Full row selection enabled
AND
* lasso selection starts from the whitespace to the right of the filename
(... starting with focus on a folder in the Treepane, of course. )

otherwise I cannot reproduce the problem either.

HTH

ckit · Post by **ckit** » 2005 Jun 01, 15:46

I think I can re-produce the bug by moving up and down the treelist using the keyboard ill post a screenshot of it.

I'm using Win2000 SP4 with xplorer2 Lite v1.2.0.1

fgagnon · Post by **fgagnon** » 2005 Jun 01, 15:52

Unless you have found another bug, ckit, that should only change which folder goes up for deletion when you lasso in the unfocussed (but active) folderpane, and then hit Delete.
But what's important is that you are on w2k (same as nikos).