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the skin was old, you could have mentioned it earlier. Anyway the installer includes the 48 skin and uses it if your system is huge dpi automatically

what you don't understand (probably) is that OC developer doesn't have to do anything to scale his application. It is all done freely for him by the modern framework he is using. xplorer2 on the other way has do do everything manually and without any assistance from the OS. It is a complete waste of my time and sadly the past few years I was spending more time on multimonitor DPI and dark mode than adding anything useful. And I only have a single monitor (laptop) myself!

you need to keep that in mind when you are complaining that the toolbar font isn't exactly same as the menu font

o tempora, o mores :)
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nikos wrote: 2025 Jun 14, 06:08
o tempora, o mores
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you should be the last one to talk that your whole programming edifice crumbled by one extra link button ;)
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But I got out of the kitchen :twisted: :twisted:

On a serious note, I have hypertension and have had heart surgery. Heat is something I don't particularly like.
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I do like OneCommander though, it had Miller columns before x2 did. That said, it is not entirely uncommon to talk about other products in a product’s forum. Total Commander’s discussion platform, for example, has quite a few SpeedCommander discussions, for a similar reason.
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nikos wrote: 2025 Jun 14, 06:08 the skin was old, you could have mentioned it earlier. Anyway the installer includes the 48 skin and uses it if your system is huge dpi automatically

what you don't understand (probably) is that OC developer doesn't have to do anything to scale his application. It is all done freely for him by the modern framework he is using. xplorer2 on the other way has do do everything manually and without any assistance from the OS. It is a complete waste of my time and sadly the past few years I was spending more time on multimonitor DPI and dark mode than adding anything useful. And I only have a single monitor (laptop) myself!

you need to keep that in mind when you are complaining that the toolbar font isn't exactly same as the menu font

o tempora, o mores :)
re:skin - I thought I had a long time back, but I've forgotten. I just now (well, a few days ago now) used the blog link that you linked to and that is when I re-discovered the skin was not working correctly. Before that it was simply loading the default skin_48, I assume.

Not being exactly the same is not a problem, I'm pretty positive that I said some scale of it. But for whatever odd reason, it gets reset on clean installs and pulling in my settings from prior to the clean install makes it all go wonky.

Every.
Single.
Time.

What I do understand is that the exact reason why you have to develop everything by hand because of the independence from the OS is exactly why I made reference to it being antiquated. Because it's not assembly level programming that you're doing here, and I understand that. But your workflow is not my workflow, and for a long time X² was my only go to - as you know from the many conversations we've had and the many times I've tested stuff.

The simply fact of the matter is that his works for the simple things I need it to do and doesn't kill my eyes, and yours handles the robust stuff that his cannot do (which is getting less and less every iteration).

Think of it as having a passenger car for daily commutes and such, versus a workhorse truck for heavy duty stuff. Should I only drive my truck when it makes sense to own a nice, new, smaller, faster, and more economical car? While some in the world might say yes, I find that kind of thinking rather stupid but at the same time, I don't see why the truck has to be affected by the car's presence, daily use, or anything else. The truck, which can do things the car cannot, is also old, but not easily replaceable, for a variety of reason, the car is, in many different ways.

If X² had a pure dark-theme-based layout, I would never have looked elsewhere - but I don't just open it for a few seconds at a time - my multi-pane browser is open for hours on end. I've mentioned more than a few times that light backgrounds hurt my eyes tremendously. Even in this web page I use an addon in Firefox to make the page dark anyway. Same as with a large truck - it hurts (financially) to drive that thing to work every day because it drinks gas.

Does that make it worth calling a competitor a browser? That is where I took umbrage, because by and large, if it could not do what I needed it to do, I would obviously not have been using it daily.
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Tuxman wrote: 2025 Jun 15, 11:34 I do like OneCommander though, it had Miller columns before x2 did. That said, it is not entirely uncommon to talk about other products in a product’s forum. Total Commander’s discussion platform, for example, has quite a few SpeedCommander discussions, for a similar reason.
Yeah. Though I'm only on their Discord server now, as I almost never have issues - until recently when Windows came up with the universal issue of only showing the first file transfer dialog and then hiding the rest, which even Nikos noted.

And I mentioned it only in passing. I neither advertise for them, nor even tell people it is better, or anything - I simply voiced my own opinion that for daily use it works really well, and has some nifty little features are lot of other dual-lane FMs do not, in the same vein as Nikos has basically pioneered (along with maybe TC and NC). Nikos has the sidebar Nav menu that is great, but TC has sidebar everything that is not a pane, which is actually more beneficial to me. And the dark mode is superb, even if it is using modern OS compositing to accomplish it - I can look at it for long periods and not have my eyes hurt. And since I need to look at a FM for long periods, it has become my de facto daily driver.

AND I mentioned that I'm not giving up X² ever, anyway.

But whatever. I'm gonna use what I want to. So, there it is.
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johngalt wrote: 2025 Jun 17, 21:19 even Nikos
Subtle as always! :)
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I understand the need of "beauty" in our everyday lives, but take solace to the fact that total commander users feel the same way when comparing it with xplorer2 :) there's always something even tackier to make you feel better for your own misgivings!
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TC does seem to have an odd abundance of stalwarts who... believe in its... charm. :D
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I mean, there are die hard fans of VIM, too, and even edlin (wasn't it edlin in DOS?) ....

For me it is not about beauty - it is about usability. A bright screen causes me too much pain, and more so as I get older.
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Tuxman wrote: 2025 Jun 17, 21:45
johngalt wrote: 2025 Jun 17, 21:19 even Nikos
Subtle as always! :)
Lol - wasn't a jab at all - was a note that Nikos himself noted, earlier in this thread, that the latest Windows 24H2 updates were causing the file transfer dialog to become hidden after the first transfer, linking to a post where it was discussed. Same as was discusssed in more than a couple posts on OC Discord server alone.

*This* is the part that is not subtle

OC dev created an issue in Windows Feedback app describing the issue and also figured out which update (KB5060842 as the main culprit and KB5063060 as an ostensible co-culprit) one could install to get the FT dialogs back to normal.
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uninstalling KB isn't a solution, they will be reapplied again.
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And reporting that the KB is causing the problem will lead to investigation on Microsoft's end so they fix the KB with a newer KB, which, of course, could cause all sorts of other problems....

Yes, it's Microsoft, and we have to deal with it. That is why the feedback tool is there.
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a review for xplorer2 in alternative.to
I really like xplorer2. I just cannot imagine how lightweight and fast it is. It only uses 6.1 MB of memory on my PC with so many useful features!

In comparison, Total Commander uses about 20 MB, XYplorer uses about 30 MB and One Commander uses more than 1000 MB!!!!!