shadow backup

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 11:20

Considering that MSE has failed to get certification as even a reasonably useful AV twice (not once, but twice), I don't think there's anything even accidentally beneficial about it.

This is why all the vogue kids at school had no real friends - their whole world was just propped up by nothing but popularity and social acceptability, not substance.

Post by **nikos** » 2013 Mar 09, 12:47

the thing is that if you are a normal person (no installing $#!+e, no pr0n etc), and leave UAC enabled (or run as limited user) there's no need for any antivirus. I keep MSE just because it is very limited impact. I never remember any virus infection since I was in college

you have disabled all sorts of default securities on your system, then are forced to use an AV suite that is hammering your system much more than all the other things you removed, think about it!

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 13:09

No porn? :shock: NO PORN! !! !!!

:!: :!: :!: WFT? What kind of cruel uncaring entity are you?

What an absurd suggestion.

nikos wrote:then are forced to use an AV suite that is hammering your system much more than all the other things you removed

I'm afraid you'd have to offer empirical evidence to support that flawed opinion, considering its the exact opposite which is true, which is why real power users do it in the first place.

Let nothing stand between a user and his right to free, endless, tasteless, ubiquitous, completely sexist and utterly demeaning porn. The "International Women's Day" brigade must have just loved you yesterday.

(And yes, I have read [or, rather, was once forced to read] Simone de Beauvoir's seminal works on the subject, but considering she shacked up with Sartre [the most self-centred git of a philosopher ever to disgrace the earth], I'd not put much faith in her opinions either.)

Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 13:37

Kilmatead wrote:offline backups are a thing of the past.

With the possible exception of having local Dropbox or something "cloud folders", there are not many backup solutions which can do online backups. OK, rsync can.

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 13:54

Er, no... I meant "Offline" in the traditional sense - meaning most free backup programmes require Windows not to be running in order to ensure accurate reproduction of in-use services, settings, objects, and contents when imaging/mirroring/cloning. Nothing to do with clouds. I'm not talking about copying files to back them up - that's only for granny's photos - she can do that herself.

Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 14:08

Ah, imaging, not backing up. While imaging implies "making backups", these are not nearly identical. You are the nit-picker here, I thought?

No, rsync can't create full disk images. OTOH, I never had the need to have them. If my system is FUBAR (which is rarely the case), I usually make use of that opportunity to have a completely clean system again. All I need are my "personal files" then.

Imaging applications are nice to have for computer retailers which have common setups then. Other than that, they're a waste of time.

Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 14:09

On a side note:

nikos wrote:the thing is that if you are a normal person (no installing $#!+e, no pr0n etc)

Normality in Greece. Boring people.

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 14:33

They're not a waste of time when you can extract anything you want from them at a later date - setups, registry values, etc - as well as the more mundane personal files.

Images are not just for restoring (that's too easy) - they can be compared to the current system so you know exactly what has been changed, modified, removed since a particular date in the past, and the relevant information culled, extracted, or otherwise tracked accordingly. And incremental images take up very little disc space for the time-travelling convenience they provide.

But, if you're only interested in pictures of the grand-kids, well - no, maybe overkill for that.

(And I'm not nit-picking, we were talking about imaging the whole time [only Nikos uses the granny-method] - but I do find the anorak so comfortable that it just demands to be worn about the house.

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Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 14:46

Kilmatead wrote:Images are not just for restoring (that's too easy) - they can be compared to the current system so you know exactly what has been changed, modified, removed since a particular date in the past

Why would I want that?

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 15:08

Tuxman wrote:Why would I want that?

Where I live we have a manually controlled sluice-gate which is used to fill/empty the mill lake via the local river. So, if I want to fill the lake, I close the gate and starve people downstream of all the water (for about an hour). If, on the other hand, I need to empty the lake (to avoid flooding) all I do is raise the gate and release about a million litres of water downstream.

Now, a convenient side-effect of knowing that you are personally responsible for wantonly releasing a million litres of water all in one go, is that as it rushes and thrushes and whirls and twirls the stormy eddies are not just in the physical world, but also the world of the mind. It gives one a great sense of satisfaction, bizarrely enough.

The same is true when you put on the anorak and spawn a process to chew through a couple of terra-bytes' worth of folder-structures just to see what you get; the mind automatically ponders the algorithms involved in reduction on such a massive scale - at least my mind does.

As the man said when asked about why he climbed the mountain - the answer is simply: "Because it's there." The same sentiment applies to image backups, if you but know how to play with them.

If you don't know what they're good for, then - yeah, you're perhaps better off oblivious - they're not for you.

Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 15:10

Have you ever considered that your mind may be broken?

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 15:34

Yes, all the time. There's a lot to be said for being 44 going on 12.

Being a Grown-up and pretending to be normal is just so incredibly dull that I gave it up about a decade ago. Having a screw or two loose doesn't hurt either, helps make such decisions so much easier.

I take it you never dreamed of running away to join the circus?

Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 15:38

I am afraid of clowns.

Kilmatead · Post by **Kilmatead** » 2013 Mar 09, 15:40

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Tuxman · Post by **Tuxman** » 2013 Mar 09, 15:42

How is that related to a Quad?